I am a Family Medicine or General Practitioner (UK) doctor working currently in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. I did my training in the UK and passed the MRCGP exam in the UK in 2004. For some reason when I passed the MRCGP they decided to give a distinction! I enjoy keeping a blog to allow me to ruminate and think more about new medical information and sometimes blog about the MRCGP and its newer variants.
If you have time visit a wiki I help maintain at http://www.familymedicinejeddah.com for Family Medicine doctors and GPs, it has many useful tools and links for daily practice.
v good site and i am sure must be v useful for many, especially those preparing for OSCE SOUTH ASIA. May Allah give u reward for this.
I am preparing for OSCE (april). Any body from Oman(Sohar) for making a local study group.
AOA Dr. Taqi.
I have a couple of questions which may sound very trivial but they are often asked in the viva.
1. How do you differentiate between a Viral Infection and a Bacterial Infection?
2. What is the optimal duration of antibiotic therapy?
Dr. Hamza
As salam alaikum.I would like to enquire from you about two things.firstly,is MRCGP (INT)done from south asia approved and applicable as MRCGP in Saudi Arabia or one needs to write the exams in Saudi for Saudi accreditation?
Secondly,could you in short describe the advantages of a UK qualified MRCGP,as you are now, working in Saudi Arabia?
I am not aware of the Saudi Council and the MRCGP Int and whether or not this obviates the need to pass the Saudi Council exams as the MRCGP UK does. I suspect it does not as the MRCGP Int does not include an accredited training program. This is a chief failing of the MRCGP Int, potentially a second tier qualification when compared to the MRCGP UK. I would be grateful if you could let me know what you find out.
AOA,
My name is Dr Najeeb Alam Khan, have recently got Int membership of RCGP (UK) after passing the MRCGP 1 and 2 from the South Aisa region. Do let me know if anyone requires any help going through this exam in the region.
Job hunting in the Middle East for FM doctors / GPs – that’s a whole post on its own! Insha Allah will try and do one. In short hunt your best option is to hunt for jobs via the recruiting agencies, second bestoption is to send your CV to someone you know at a hospital looking for FM/GPs.
OSCES: best preparation is mock OSCES with someone acting as an examiner.
Operate within the guidelines (use the NICE summary guidelines) these should be enough for most cases.
Cover your base 100 cases (have not had the time to list the top 100 cases). Have a look at the comments section under the original MRCGP cheat sheet post and set up a local study group at least 3 doctors. One examiner, one as the mock patient and the thrid as the examinee doctor.
AoA, Wr. Dear Dr. Taqi,
Alhamdulillah I attended family Medicine Symposium and had the honour to meet you, Dr Nehal, Dr. Aziz and Dr.Muntazir and was really glad to see talented group Family Physicians.MashaAllah, TabaarakAllah. I personally have done MCPS and MRCGP Int. and I really want to do some research BUT I am really confused how to do it…even a case report also…When you have to see a patient in max 10 minutes and others are knocking the door…?? Do you think that it can be done without “supporting Atmosphere”?
Kindly extend my Salaam and Congratulate Dr Nehal,Dr.Aziz and Dr. Muntazir (If you remember) for making such an important event “A Success”
Wassalam o Alaikum Wr.
Thanks for the comment. I think it is possible but it is hard work. You have to break every step down into 15 minute steps and give yourself 15 minutes extra with the door locked and do 15 minutes of work every day. I am sure you can, just keep going. Let me know when you manage to publish something – insha Alah soon.
Yesterday I had a patient on Amlodipine 10mg for hypertension , for whom I wanted to switch over to valsartan due to ankle oedema. Dosage equivalence is my querry…..He was well controlled on Amlodipine. Which one would be a better option, to stop amlodipine and start valsartan 80 and observe or valsartan 160 mg with proper precaution and monitoring?
If you have any link showing dose equivalence of antihypertensives, I will be grateful.
Sorry can’t help you on the dose equivalencies – let me know if you found anything. Just a thought: should we be thinking more about effect equivalencies rather than dose equivalencies? If so this is probably patient specific or perhaps there is a range effect.
salamt dr . am medical officer working in phc in KSA. am interested in MRCGP but i dont know from where i start and what i need to succses in exam and where to do it
can i get the job in saudi arabia after passing mrcgp (int), as i m living my husband and small kidz in saudia…so i think its a most easy way to enter in family medicine? please i m soo confuse help me out? is it recognize here or it will help me to rasie my salary package also?
A lot of people are working as Family Doctors without any family medicine residency training, but these jobs tend to be in the private sector or are less well paid. The intMRCGP is not counted as a formal residency training and employers are aware of this. The intMRCGP is really meant for people who are already working as ‘Family Doctors’ for many years and want to update their consultation skills, knowledge and practice. It is not an alternative to a Family Medicine residency or training program. The more qualified you are the more likely you are to be able to negotiate a better package but as far as I know the intMRCGP currently from the few personal cases that I know has not helped in raising salaries but has helped maintain the job.
Thank you dr Taqi
Please can you guid me to the right way for getting MRCGP ..
I graduated in 2008 from Sudan, Working now in medical departement in KSA,,
Should I attend a specific programe or it is enough to pass the exam only
To get the MRCGP you would have to go to the UK and enroll in a residency program. This is easier said than done as UK rules of immigration and professional equivalency exams (PLAB) will be prerequisites. Here is a previous answer I gave to a similar question:
A lot of people are working as Family Doctors without any family medicine residency training, but these jobs tend to be in the private sector or are less well paid. The intMRCGP is not counted as a formal residency training and employers are aware of this. The intMRCGP is really meant for people who are already working as ‘Family Doctors’ for many years and want to update their consultation skills, knowledge and practice. It is not an alternative to a Family Medicine residency or training program. The more qualified you are the more likely you are to be able to negotiate a better package but as far as I know the intMRCGP currently from the few personal cases that I know has not helped in raising salaries but has helped maintain the job.
sir , mrcgp int is not recognized in ksa but i heard that it is recognized in muscat and qatar, can i apply there on a better position like registrar than a resident after doing mrcgp int.?
Thank you for the question. As far as I understand the answer would be no, but this probably depends on the GMC’s requirements to be registered on the GP Register. If they accept the MRCGP Int as an equivalent then as each GP practice is effectively an independent employer it could be possible. I would suggest that you write a letter to the GMC and ask this question to them. If you get an answer please let us know here.
drtaqi
January 6, 2009 at 8:44 am
I am a Family Medicine or General Practitioner (UK) doctor working currently in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. I did my training in the UK and passed the MRCGP exam in the UK in 2004. For some reason when I passed the MRCGP they decided to give a distinction! I enjoy keeping a blog to allow me to ruminate and think more about new medical information and sometimes blog about the MRCGP and its newer variants.
If you have time visit a wiki I help maintain at http://www.familymedicinejeddah.com for Family Medicine doctors and GPs, it has many useful tools and links for daily practice.
Hope you enjoy it and find something useful.
Kashaf
January 10, 2009 at 4:30 pm
AOA
I am a UK trained doctor/GP now trying to help establish family medicne in Paksitn. A useful site, many thanks.
Dr Kashaf Aziz
drtaqi
January 10, 2009 at 7:43 pm
wa
All the best! Have you thought of starting a blog to share your experiences?
DR A RAUF
February 19, 2009 at 7:00 am
v good site and i am sure must be v useful for many, especially those preparing for OSCE SOUTH ASIA. May Allah give u reward for this.
I am preparing for OSCE (april). Any body from Oman(Sohar) for making a local study group.
Dr. Firoz Hamza
June 14, 2009 at 7:14 pm
AOA Dr. Taqi.
I have a couple of questions which may sound very trivial but they are often asked in the viva.
1. How do you differentiate between a Viral Infection and a Bacterial Infection?
2. What is the optimal duration of antibiotic therapy?
Dr. Hamza
fatima
May 14, 2010 at 8:34 pm
As salam alaikum.I would like to enquire from you about two things.firstly,is MRCGP (INT)done from south asia approved and applicable as MRCGP in Saudi Arabia or one needs to write the exams in Saudi for Saudi accreditation?
Secondly,could you in short describe the advantages of a UK qualified MRCGP,as you are now, working in Saudi Arabia?
JazakAllah Khairan
drtaqi
September 13, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Walaikumsalaam wa rahmatullah:
I am not aware of the Saudi Council and the MRCGP Int and whether or not this obviates the need to pass the Saudi Council exams as the MRCGP UK does. I suspect it does not as the MRCGP Int does not include an accredited training program. This is a chief failing of the MRCGP Int, potentially a second tier qualification when compared to the MRCGP UK. I would be grateful if you could let me know what you find out.
Dr Najeeb A Khan
December 20, 2010 at 3:01 pm
AOA,
My name is Dr Najeeb Alam Khan, have recently got Int membership of RCGP (UK) after passing the MRCGP 1 and 2 from the South Aisa region. Do let me know if anyone requires any help going through this exam in the region.
Many regards!
drshehnaz
October 14, 2011 at 1:10 pm
respected dr
can u please guide how to prepair for osce.
with regards
zonaira
May 31, 2011 at 12:40 am
please dr najeeb alam khan kindly let me knwo the resourses for mcqs for mrcgp international
drtaqi
May 31, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Thank you for your query. Please see refer to my email.
Dr Taqi
Khaled elnamasy
June 27, 2011 at 12:32 am
Tariq
I am a qualified GP . in UK, got my MRCGP in 2009
looking for work in Saudi
Pleas enlighten me
gazakallaho khair
drtaqi
November 9, 2011 at 10:49 am
Job hunting in the Middle East for FM doctors / GPs – that’s a whole post on its own! Insha Allah will try and do one. In short hunt your best option is to hunt for jobs via the recruiting agencies, second bestoption is to send your CV to someone you know at a hospital looking for FM/GPs.
Dr. Syed Hasnain Gillani
December 19, 2011 at 10:10 am
AoA Dear Brother,
You can send me your cv and InshaAllah I will try to submit it in my deptt.
Regards,
drtaqi
March 4, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Thanks for the offer, I think one day I will post my CV online.
drshehnaz
October 14, 2011 at 1:12 pm
respected sir
please guide me how to prepaire for osce exam
with regards
drtaqi
November 9, 2011 at 10:55 am
Sorry for the delayed reply.
OSCES: best preparation is mock OSCES with someone acting as an examiner.
Operate within the guidelines (use the NICE summary guidelines) these should be enough for most cases.
Cover your base 100 cases (have not had the time to list the top 100 cases). Have a look at the comments section under the original MRCGP cheat sheet post and set up a local study group at least 3 doctors. One examiner, one as the mock patient and the thrid as the examinee doctor.
All the best.
Dr. Syed Hasnain Gillani
December 19, 2011 at 8:41 am
AoA, Wr. Dear Dr. Taqi,
Alhamdulillah I attended family Medicine Symposium and had the honour to meet you, Dr Nehal, Dr. Aziz and Dr.Muntazir and was really glad to see talented group Family Physicians.MashaAllah, TabaarakAllah. I personally have done MCPS and MRCGP Int. and I really want to do some research BUT I am really confused how to do it…even a case report also…When you have to see a patient in max 10 minutes and others are knocking the door…?? Do you think that it can be done without “supporting Atmosphere”?
Kindly extend my Salaam and Congratulate Dr Nehal,Dr.Aziz and Dr. Muntazir (If you remember) for making such an important event “A Success”
Wassalam o Alaikum Wr.
drtaqi
March 4, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Walaikumsalaam
Thanks for the comment. I think it is possible but it is hard work. You have to break every step down into 15 minute steps and give yourself 15 minutes extra with the door locked and do 15 minutes of work every day. I am sure you can, just keep going. Let me know when you manage to publish something – insha Alah soon.
Dr. Syed Hasnain Gillani
December 19, 2011 at 8:56 am
AoA, Wr. Dear Brother,
Yesterday I had a patient on Amlodipine 10mg for hypertension , for whom I wanted to switch over to valsartan due to ankle oedema. Dosage equivalence is my querry…..He was well controlled on Amlodipine. Which one would be a better option, to stop amlodipine and start valsartan 80 and observe or valsartan 160 mg with proper precaution and monitoring?
If you have any link showing dose equivalence of antihypertensives, I will be grateful.
Shukran wa JazakAllah Khair.
drtaqi
March 4, 2012 at 3:25 pm
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Sorry can’t help you on the dose equivalencies – let me know if you found anything. Just a thought: should we be thinking more about effect equivalencies rather than dose equivalencies? If so this is probably patient specific or perhaps there is a range effect.
nazar basher
January 22, 2012 at 11:07 am
salamt dr . am medical officer working in phc in KSA. am interested in MRCGP but i dont know from where i start and what i need to succses in exam and where to do it
drtaqi
March 4, 2012 at 3:36 pm
wa
Start here at the RCGP site.
ghania
March 31, 2012 at 7:12 pm
can i get the job in saudi arabia after passing mrcgp (int), as i m living my husband and small kidz in saudia…so i think its a most easy way to enter in family medicine? please i m soo confuse help me out? is it recognize here or it will help me to rasie my salary package also?
drtaqi
April 4, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Hi
A lot of people are working as Family Doctors without any family medicine residency training, but these jobs tend to be in the private sector or are less well paid. The intMRCGP is not counted as a formal residency training and employers are aware of this. The intMRCGP is really meant for people who are already working as ‘Family Doctors’ for many years and want to update their consultation skills, knowledge and practice. It is not an alternative to a Family Medicine residency or training program. The more qualified you are the more likely you are to be able to negotiate a better package but as far as I know the intMRCGP currently from the few personal cases that I know has not helped in raising salaries but has helped maintain the job.
ghania
April 4, 2012 at 10:47 pm
thank u soo much for ur reply, so plz advice meresidency training programm running in saudi arabia for foreigners
drtaqi
April 6, 2012 at 12:55 am
Pleasure. As far as I am aware there are no Family Medicine Residency programs for foreigners in Saudi Arabia.
jomana
April 6, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Thank you dr Taqi
Please can you guid me to the right way for getting MRCGP ..
I graduated in 2008 from Sudan, Working now in medical departement in KSA,,
Should I attend a specific programe or it is enough to pass the exam only
best regards,
Jumana
drtaqi
April 15, 2012 at 10:52 am
To get the MRCGP you would have to go to the UK and enroll in a residency program. This is easier said than done as UK rules of immigration and professional equivalency exams (PLAB) will be prerequisites. Here is a previous answer I gave to a similar question:
ghania
April 15, 2012 at 11:53 pm
sir , mrcgp int is not recognized in ksa but i heard that it is recognized in muscat and qatar, can i apply there on a better position like registrar than a resident after doing mrcgp int.?
drtaqi
April 16, 2012 at 11:38 am
Thank you for pointing that out. I am sorry but I do not have any information regarding the use of intMRCGP. Perhaps others can comment?
Spj
May 23, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Hello,
Just wondering can u get a job as Gp in uk with mrcgp int and plab and gmc no
drtaqi
May 24, 2012 at 9:25 am
Thank you for the question. As far as I understand the answer would be no, but this probably depends on the GMC’s requirements to be registered on the GP Register. If they accept the MRCGP Int as an equivalent then as each GP practice is effectively an independent employer it could be possible. I would suggest that you write a letter to the GMC and ask this question to them. If you get an answer please let us know here.